tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post2658830288986527173..comments2022-03-28T06:01:16.368+02:00Comments on Without a road map - travels in Israel & Palestine: My son, the peace broker!Khaled Diabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05731069004836274247noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-11218818982584121912007-06-08T00:41:00.000+02:002007-06-08T00:41:00.000+02:00Dear Khaled,You wrote:"And please do not insult me...Dear Khaled,<BR/>You wrote:<BR/>"And please do not insult me and my intelligence by making such outlandish claims as: "If you continue to insist that Israel as a country has no right to exist".<BR/><BR/>For crying out loud, how can I visit a place and write about it if I don't believe it exists?"<BR/><BR/>Compare what Israel CLAIMED to what you wrote. You wrote: <BR/>"How can I visit a place andNews Servicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02033603414923093624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-3128522306254363102007-06-01T03:32:00.000+02:002007-06-01T03:32:00.000+02:00Well, gentlemen, I don’t have anything substantive...Well, gentlemen, I don’t have anything substantive to add to the discussion since I don’t know much about Egypt’s and Egyptian Jews’ history, but I would like to add a general comment, if I may.<BR/><BR/>Your argument reinforces my opinion that, while knowing one’s own history is very important for every people, there are times when it’s better to put history aside. These are of course the timesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-2025135180906232122007-05-29T13:06:00.000+02:002007-05-29T13:06:00.000+02:00You will notice that my dialogue has always been m...You will notice that my dialogue has always been moderate, tolerant and accepting. But I do not find you're glossing over the inconvenient facts helpful. And please do not insult me and my intelligence by making such outlandish claims as: "If you continue to insist that Israel as a country has no right to exist".<BR/><BR/>For crying out loud, how can I visit a place and write about it if I don't Khaled Diabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731069004836274247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-40752808222772655542007-05-29T12:37:00.000+02:002007-05-29T12:37:00.000+02:00Now, now Khaled,Was that too much to ask? Part of ...Now, now Khaled,<BR/><BR/>Was that too much to ask?<BR/> <BR/>Part of maturing as a person, or as a nation; is to accept responsibility for ones actions and inactions. I am glad, you see that the comedy of errors we call the Middle East is a bit more complex than to suggest and leave everything at the doors of one and only one culprit; which you seem to still feel based on your chicken and egg Izzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293404765133001483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-59980704149700755172007-05-29T09:36:00.000+02:002007-05-29T09:36:00.000+02:00I have to tell you this straight - you are incredi...I have to tell you this straight - you are incredibly self-righteous and it is this unwillingness to admit fault that holds back prospects for peace.<BR/><BR/>Yes, the Arabs failed to clean up the mess created by Zionist designs on Palestine - and for that they deserve huge criticism. But that does not absolve Zionism of the crimes it committed against the Palestinians.<BR/><BR/>Before you go Khaled Diabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731069004836274247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-53953967399078003882007-05-28T18:57:00.000+02:002007-05-28T18:57:00.000+02:00Khaled,My good man, when or where did you hear me ...Khaled,<BR/><BR/>My good man, when or where did you hear me say, the Palestinians did not suffer?<BR/><BR/>Where and when did you hear me say, we are, as Jews from Arab countries, the only ones that suffered? <BR/><BR/>NEVER did and NEVER will.<BR/><BR/>To have all these ills visited on Zionism hurly burly is what I strenuously object to. <BR/><BR/>Was it Zionism that started the war in ’48? <BR/Izzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04977261852059524648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-12299075232394950622007-05-28T17:58:00.000+02:002007-05-28T17:58:00.000+02:00Israel, your demands for others to acknowledge you...Israel, your demands for others to acknowledge your suffering - which I have amply done - and then your outright denial of the suffering Zionism has inflicted on the Palestinians has really left me speechless and terribly sad.<BR/><BR/>I'll leave you to wallow in whatever illusions and denials of history make you comfortable.Khaled Diabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731069004836274247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-84183216101975895482007-05-28T14:12:00.000+02:002007-05-28T14:12:00.000+02:00I’d like to correct a few assumptions, in 1929, my...I’d like to correct a few assumptions, in 1929, my father was still a teenager; and his father had moved to Egypt from Tunisia, at the turn of the century. We kept the Tunisian passport; my comments were based on friends of mine that went through that exact described experience.<BR/> <BR/> Wanting something Khaled, and having it be true are two different things; I am sure you’ll agree. In 1929, aIzzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293404765133001483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-38513719378049465672007-05-28T12:07:00.000+02:002007-05-28T12:07:00.000+02:00Thank you, Israel, for more insights - which are f...Thank you, Israel, for more insights - which are fascinating. I will certainly read your exodus story.<BR/><BR/>I think it is safe to say that we agree on the facts but we seem to differ somewhat on the precise nuances those facts signify.<BR/><BR/>Let my start by saying that I think, even under the 1929 law, you should've qualified for Egyptian nationality. And the fact that you did not get it Khaled Diabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731069004836274247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-69386338673154626372007-05-27T14:18:00.000+02:002007-05-27T14:18:00.000+02:00Sorry,it seems the html tags are not working prope...Sorry,<BR/><BR/>it seems the html tags are not working properly, my links came out garbled.<BR/><BR/>My exodus story is in : <BR/><BR/>http://www.universaloddities.com/exodus/exodus.shtmlIzzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293404765133001483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-47429467462826550622007-05-27T14:14:00.000+02:002007-05-27T14:14:00.000+02:00A conversation happened between Daoud Hosni and hi...A conversation happened between Daoud Hosni and his friend Tal'at Harb. It related to the Directorship of the Egyptian Theater. <BR/><BR/><B>Tal'at: You know, Daoud, how much I wanted you to be in charge of the theater, but, ya khusartak fi'l Yahud (its a pity you are Jewish). <BR/> Hosni: Tal'at, I was born a Jew, I lead a Jewish life and I will die a Jew... </B><BR/><BR/><I>[1] Mourad Izzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293404765133001483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-14922109271783484302007-05-27T13:04:00.000+02:002007-05-27T13:04:00.000+02:00Many Egyptian Muslims and Christians still suffer ...Many Egyptian Muslims and Christians still suffer from Egypt's outdated nationality laws, namely those Egyptians born to non-Egyptian fathers. A 2004 change to the law tried to address this discrepancy.Khaled Diabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731069004836274247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-61736223819068773382007-05-27T13:00:00.000+02:002007-05-27T13:00:00.000+02:00Hi IsraelMarhaba! It's good to have a genuine Jew ...Hi Israel<BR/><BR/>Marhaba! It's good to have a genuine Jew from Egypt here. <BR/><BR/>My quest is for 'truth', not ideology, and, like you, I am all for "sulh".<BR/><BR/>I freely and willingly admit that crimes were committed against Egypt's Jewish minority - I have not once denied it. But these occurred in reaction to events in Palestine. <BR/><BR/>It is no coincidence that the gradual Khaled Diabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731069004836274247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-9065812774835353612007-05-26T16:46:00.000+02:002007-05-26T16:46:00.000+02:00Hi Khaled,I appreciate your mom’s recollections, a...Hi Khaled,<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your mom’s recollections, and you seem very balanced in your original and follow up replies. So I am going on the assumption that you are level headed and fair and would like to know more about the History of Jews in Egypt.<BR/><BR/>You main point was to highlight the fact that it was only because of Zionism and Israel that all the ills were visited on the Jews ofIzzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293404765133001483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-49247059039937258712007-05-26T13:05:00.000+02:002007-05-26T13:05:00.000+02:00Bataween, I suppose for an ardent Zionist it is co...Bataween, I suppose for an ardent Zionist it is comforting to believe that Jews were being systematically persecuted in the Middle East before the creation of Israel. But the facts do not back this up. <BR/><BR/>Of course, it was not heaven and there were episodes in which minorities were discriminated against throughout its history - particularly by its foreign rulers.<BR/><BR/>But I really do Khaled Diabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731069004836274247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-65327150725761027772007-05-26T10:13:00.000+02:002007-05-26T10:13:00.000+02:00KhaledThe 'certain amount of violent protest again...Khaled<BR/>The 'certain amount of violent protest against Zionism' you refer to included the murder of 70 Egyptian Jews in 1948 riots.<BR/>As this extract from an article by Israel Bonan and Rami Mangoubi explains, Jews were discriminated against well before Israel and Zionism:<BR/>http://www.zionism-israel.com/zionism_egypt_Jews.htm <BR/><BR/>"As early as the 1869, long before Zionism came into bataweenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15829104245735619972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-22557600180880656502007-05-25T10:35:00.000+02:002007-05-25T10:35:00.000+02:00Thanks, IsraeliMom, my mum is a great woman!Jonath...Thanks, IsraeliMom, my mum is a great woman!<BR/><BR/>Jonathan, of course the various episodes in various countries were terrible crimes, that goes without saying, as was the earlier ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Robbing anyone of their home is atrocious.<BR/><BR/>It is also good to recall that the crimes committed against Middle Eastern Jews were two-way - they were stuck between two warring Khaled Diabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731069004836274247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-54149651909032189392007-05-24T17:48:00.000+02:002007-05-24T17:48:00.000+02:00I understand the difference between a mistake and ...I understand the difference between a mistake and a crime.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02132019016421097179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-56813566555793418712007-05-23T18:48:00.000+02:002007-05-23T18:48:00.000+02:00Your mom sounds sweet! I love her no-nonsense dire...Your mom sounds sweet! I love her no-nonsense direct approach, and you got lucky too - not too much of a reprimanding speech ;)AnneMosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15106023892552600731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-49637738042378455612007-05-20T14:07:00.000+02:002007-05-20T14:07:00.000+02:00Jonathan, I'm also very confused - which part of "...Jonathan, I'm also very confused - which part of "biggest mistake" don't you understand?<BR/><BR/>Deb, good luck with your own 'indoctrination' endeavours! ;-)Khaled Diabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05731069004836274247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-89174968843406925462007-05-17T14:49:00.000+02:002007-05-17T14:49:00.000+02:00I am very confused.Your mother remembers that the ...I am very confused.<BR/><BR/>Your mother remembers that the Arab countries expelled their Jewish populations. Actually, more Jews were expelled from Arab countries than Arabs from Palestine in 1948.<BR/><BR/>Then she says: "We were concerned with questions of justice back then. What kind of modern world would we have built had we just approved of a country that was created on the dispossession Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02132019016421097179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642177525282170039.post-27707782247966503422007-05-17T11:33:00.000+02:002007-05-17T11:33:00.000+02:00See whay I mean that indoctrination begins at home...See whay I mean that indoctrination begins at home?<BR/>Way to go, Mom!debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12708162370856220399noreply@blogger.com